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8 Suggestions To Improve Newsvine

Fri Jan 6, 2006 7:19 PM EST
technology, not-news, newsvine, stupid, suggestions, newsvine-feedback
By Dickard
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Perhaps just to be an ass, I want to post a quick column criticizing this site. Yes, I have spent all of one day as a member and I am already posting a critique. Why?

a. I'm gonna test their patience. See if they let negative comments stay up or intend to enforce a pro-newsvine atmosphere. This is what is known in the business as "teasing out the fascists." What business, you ask? Mine.

b. It's always cool to be the first dude kicked off of a site.

c. The obvious purpose of being in on the beta-test is to offer constructive criticism right?

So here goes -- my first impression criticisms...

1. Lack of Organization or what I like to call "This Thing Is Going To Rapidly Digress Into A Morass of Links." If, indeed, everyone can post as many links as they want, this is going to turn into a repository of every crappy link in the universe -- particularly if folks is gonna get paid for doing it. There needs to be some process whereby links that are posted are heirarched onto the front page by readership interest, etc. Although I get that the little arrow acts as some sort of organizing principle, it isn't clear how it works -- or how you can "mine" new or under-read stories (like Digg). Moreover, why are the "AP" stories (with no positive hits) at the top?

2. There Needs to be Positive Correlation to Quality of Links, Not Number. Similar to above, I notice there is a "top posters" section. This should be changed to quality of post, not quantity. You should be able to not only vote plus or minus on the story but on the post author as well. Otherwise you're encouraging greedy dudes like me to post every dang thing they run across without spendy the time to write a snarky little comment that shows how smart, world-weary and/or reasoned I am.

3. Don't Pay for Links. This is trouble. I get that it's sort of a marketing deal but I suggest you use NewsVine Points or something like that. Let people trade em in for NewsVine crap, not real cash. Again, this just encourages folks to post as much trash as possible, not to post quality. Plus, who wouldn't want themselves a newsboy cap with the NewsVine Logo. That'd get you the admiration you're looking for with the ladies and what not.

4. Spell checker?

5. What Are My Friends Writing About. Maybe this is because it's an invite site but I really just want to see what my friends are writing and saying. I'm like that -- creepy, reclusive and unfriendly. Is there a myspace-like feature coming where I can ID my friends and view their new posts? This could make this like Myspace for adults. Instead of the real myspace which is a whole lot of adults checking out twenty year old chicks who CLEARLY aren't that hot or at least I just haven't been around.

6. Politics. People tend to view and visit politics pages for stories that reinforce their deeply-held and seldom analyzed personal beliefs. Right now this reads like CNN's politics page. Divide this sucker up. I suggest three separate pages. A red page, a blue page and maybe a purple page (what I would call No Man's Land). Are you a dyed in the wool GOP'er? Then visit the red page and post your self-indulgent lies (err, "opinions"). Same for the blue page. Maybe these pages would have a moderator to ensure that the battle lines aren't crossed or maybe this would be self sustaining. In the middle would be the place where you try to antagonize your compatriots on the other side. Just an idea.

7. Sports. Right now this is just a rehash of every other dang sports page in the world. I suggest you make it local and/or tailored to the users' particular preferences. E.g. it should be set up so that I only see: a. the top five stories nationwide (by reader preference); and b. All local stories about the teams that I have indicated. Right now the top story is something about the Jags not caring about something or other...guess what? I don't care about the Jags not caring about something or other...

Is such a thing even possible? Cuz that would rock.

8. Get Local. You guys are from Seattle so I see a lot of Seattle junk on their (like a car crash on I-90?) I mean, I guess that's cool to me but it's pretty fricking meaningless to 90% of your readers.

In short, I had about three valid criticisms but since nobody takes you seriously unless you say some sort of oddball or high number I went with 8. I expect to see about fifty responses saying that I'm a moron and how you guys have already thought this through and how I'm a moron and how I should spend more time before I criticize and again with the moronity but so be it. It's Friday, I'm bored and I'm hung over like the wolf. Adios dudes.

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(By the way, this was originally title 8 problem I got with Newsvine or something like that but after I read the article about the guy complaining about the Newsvine CEO not saying please and thank you I decided to rename it. Plus, this is more appropriate to what I have to say.)

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Sean S

Nice suggestions. Some of your thoughts will automagically go away with the aging of the site (the local Seattle stuff, for instance). Others are probably already slated for the future of Newsvine; Mike Davidson told me last night that they have a LOT of cool stuff up their sleeve.

For other's reference, here's the seed for the article you mentioned. Thanks for changing the title, by the way. ;)

    Reply#1 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 7:48 PM EST
    Richard Moriarty

    As far as politics go, I don't see why it's necessay to have seperate pages for people to indulge themselves in such a manner. It's true that those who peruse political blogs tend to read the ones they agree with, but shouldn't we get news that informs us instead of agrees with us?

      Reply#2 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 8:02 PM EST
      Ricky

      Hmm..I was actually going to critique your list of suggestions (and I am not the maker of this site). But, I just don't see the point of that.

      All I can say is that what you say is your point of view, and you are entitled for that. I think the site is and needs to be beyond the likings of one individual. It needs to be general to cater to a larger audience, while giving each user the ability to personalize to a large extent. And newsvine does succeed in doing that.

      Having said that, I do admit there are quite a few areas of improvements. When I do find the time, I shall definately bring those out. As of now, I am just exploring the site more, and getting used to the new wave of news broadcast.

        Reply#3 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 8:10 PM EST
        bmvaughn

        I agree with most of your comments. I also agree with Sean S. With growth, as it was intended, a lot of these things can go away. This presents the problem of social policing though.. an area where I still have a definite bit of concern.

          Reply#4 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 8:12 PM EST
          bmvaughn

          Also, I should add... a number of your criticisms could be solved with the use of tags. Actually, #1, #5, #6, #7, #8. Perhaps they just need better tutorials for getting up to speed on vining.

            Reply#5 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 8:15 PM EST
            oppositionradio

            some good stuff at Functioning Form on blog interface design and more specifically visually identifying post quality.

              Reply#6 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 8:31 PM EST
              josh

              You're so banned, Dickard. Fascists unite!

              Quick thoughts:

              1. "There needs to be some process whereby links that are posted are heirarched onto the front page by readership interest, etc. "
              There is indeed. We always tweak the algorithm, but it will always reflect our intent, which is that high-quality, interesting news makes it to the top of the vine.

              2. "Similar to above, I notice there is a "top posters" section. This should be changed to quality of post, not quantity."
              One step ahead of you. It is currently based on quality, not quantity. And in fact is inversely related to quantity if your quality is bad. Note that for the first few days/weeks quality and quantity will be a little correlated as the rating numbers shake out.

              3. The intent is for #s 1 and 2 to solve 3. You don't get revenue if nobody visits your pages.

              4. En route

              5. " Is there a myspace-like feature coming where I can ID my friends and view their new posts? " Yes. Click on your friend's name in any article they write to get to their author page (or ask them for their domain name). Next to their name is a 'watch' button, which will add them to your watchlist.

              6. The community should self-organize politics. I expect that the 'democrats' tag and 'gop' tag, for example, will largely create their own communities, and watchlisting allows disparate communities to develop within the umbrella (along with features we'll be adding, such as user groups). We're well aware of the tendency for discussions about religion and politics to degenerate into flamewars, and will be keeping an eye on it.

              7. You should watchlist the teams you like. Also, you can watchlist a region/category combo. . for example, miami.newsvine.com/sports would probably be useful to a sports fan from miami.

              8. Hey, the car crash is my story! We want to encourage people to post local stuff. It should never travel up the vine unless it has universal interest, and meanwhile the people who are watching the seattle location will get it.

              Thanks for taking the risk of infuriating the overlords and keep the requests coming

                Reply#7 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 8:32 PM EST
                Ryan Booker

                Breaking poltics down party lines is a really bad idea. This is a news site, not a site a bolster your own prejudical view of the world.

                  Reply#8 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 8:36 PM EST
                  Dickard

                  I appreciate the comments and, as I review the site more, I am seeing that -- yes, the site does do a lot of the things that I mention (just not in the way I suspected). Perhaps its just not as intuitive as it will be yet.

                  BTW, I hope (and expect) that you aren't taking my comments too seriously. Half the point was just to get some discussion going -- it seemed a little light.

                    Reply#9 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 8:39 PM EST
                    bmvaughn

                    I want to call out your response to #5 above Josh. What about the ability to search for authors based on email address, user name, or full name? I know a few folks have told me that they were let in via this beta wave, and they have yet to post. That being said, I still want to watch them to catch their first seed and provide constructive criticism. Do you see such a feature in the future?

                      Reply#10 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 10:04 PM EST
                      mark

                      Dang I work with smart people...I get to these threads too late.

                        Reply#11 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 10:16 PM EST
                        josh

                        bmvaughn: I do see such a feature in the future. Sort of a Tuesday/Wednesday future

                          Reply#12 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 10:54 PM EST
                          Des Traynor

                          Not everyone is from America, it'd be a big @!$%#in improvement if they realised that pretty quickly

                            Reply#13 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 10:55 PM EST
                            Dickard

                            I don't understand Des Traynor's thought. Is there something Ameri-centric about permitting people to post whatever they want?

                              Reply#14 - Fri Jan 6, 2006 11:04 PM EST
                              nick

                              Des, go crazy seeding!. we want people from other coutries to seed, comment and write. If you're not american, then tell all of your non-american friends about newsvine and get going!

                                Reply#15 - Sat Jan 7, 2006 12:24 AM EST
                                Phil

                                Good article Dickard, you hit on some good points about this site. I haven't had time to go completely through the site, but my initial impression is that I won't be abandoning google news just yet.

                                ...and where is Seattle again? Is that in California?

                                  Reply#16 - Sat Jan 7, 2006 1:35 AM EST
                                  Ed Greve

                                  If you look to the right, you'll see a huge number 17!

                                    Reply#17 - Sat Jan 7, 2006 2:55 AM EST
                                    Dude3609

                                    It's not cool to be kicked off the website regardless of if your first or not. If you have enough stupidity to get kicked off the site, then so be it.

                                    Also,
                                    to make suggestions on newsvine, consider visiting this http://www.newsvine.com/_cms/info/contact

                                      Reply#18 - Sat Jan 7, 2006 3:02 AM EST
                                      Noah Dylan Goldblatt

                                      I am falling in love with Newsvine very quickly. I like the whole, wire, seeds, vine thing you have going on. And I like how the sub-headers adapt to the tags the community utilizes--that is truly beautiful. In many ways, this website functions as a true free economy of information, allowing people to immediately see the supply and demand of certain information play out in a marketplace. The only real suggestion that I see not yet in the works that might be useful is an engine for automagic customization of content, similar to Findory.

                                      I also think that the innovative usage of ad revenue incentives will keep this site up with quality and diversified content, a shortfall of many community-driven sites that rely mainly upon trolls or a select pool of readers/content creators to produce most of the site's daily reads.

                                      I don't really think that Newsvine is like Digg. I think that Newsvine is like Flickr. It is a Flickr for news. Wonderful work.

                                        Reply#19 - Sat Jan 7, 2006 3:52 AM EST
                                        Garys Basement

                                        yeah, the political idea sounds a bit ridiculous.... but I can picture the political flaming already... I hope it doesn't get too bad though....

                                        and I personally think the sports section is the best part! other sites similar to this, (with user posted information), never have any sports or entertainment. its either politics, business or technology. sports was long overdue.

                                        nice critique though

                                          Reply#20 - Sat Jan 7, 2006 3:59 AM EST
                                          Jeff W

                                          I am still voting for a button where you can report duplicate articles. I have seen many now and it just clutters the site.

                                            Reply#21 - Sat Jan 7, 2006 4:30 AM EST
                                            Paul Davidson

                                            And how about some kind of comment moderation? News aggregating sites like Digg suck because each article is followed by a long slough of rude or argumentative posts. But a moderation system, like Slashdot has, lets you see only the most valuable or informative comments, and an actual discussion can take place.

                                            I see less use for Newsvine if it can't figure out a way to facilitate useful discussions instead of mere comment noise.

                                              Reply#22 - Sat Jan 7, 2006 8:55 AM EST
                                              Faruk Ates

                                              I don't think Newsvine is really the type of site that would kick you just for stating your honest but negative opinion. They're far too down-to-earth people for that :)

                                              As there will be more Locations in time, I think people should just start posting their own local stuff as they see fit. I know I did, when there was a story about Rotterdam.

                                              The rest was already kinda covered by Josh and others :)

                                              Oh, and Seattle is in the North-West corner of America, in Washington, not California.

                                                Reply#23 - Sat Jan 7, 2006 9:41 AM EST
                                                Philipp Wagenblast

                                                Sometimes in the navigation there are duplicates as well.
                                                I don't think there is much difference between "TV" and "Television", or just a little between "Apple" and "Mac".
                                                Is that navigation static or made from the tags used?

                                                  Reply#24 - Sat Jan 7, 2006 9:59 AM EST
                                                  sarah

                                                  From what I got from spending like 3 hours in the main NewsVine Blog chat... these guys are awesome and they are rather aware of what needs to change. Many of the things listed here are already accessable to users... but what is a beta tester if there isn't something that they don't like or that doesn't go wrong?

                                                  I still vote with, Mike I believe, on adding a section where peoplne can submit suggestions and view the suggestions already submitted.

                                                    Reply#25 - Sat Jan 7, 2006 10:44 AM EST
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